Beyond The Wall: An Interview With Mance Rayder

Mance Rayder is an author, podcast host and libertarian minded activist. His newest book, Freedom Through Memedom: The 31-Day Guide to Waking Up to Liberty, is available on Amazon and you can listen to his podcast, Beyond The Wall, on his website:

71 Republic’s Spencer Kellogg spoke by phone with Mr. Rayder on a host of topics ranging from the meme market to communism.

On Communism:

My grandmother’s whole family, with the exception of one person, was exterminated by it. Communism takes away free will. It takes away any hope and motivation. The people that I see promoting it have never lived under it. To the contrary. They’re promoting it from their air conditioned house, on their iPad, drinking their custom coffee. And they don’t realize that all that shit is going away. Where does it work? The only place that can make it work a little bit they have to use capitalism and we see that failing. People will point to the Scandinavian countries and they don’t realize that if you look at the reporting on their debt you will see they’re screwed.

On Freedom Through Memedom & Daily Devotionals

I decided to go to church and for a few years I went to seminary. In the meantime, I was doing some accounting for a Christian bookstore and I noticed these things called daily devotionals. They seemed to sell very well. When I decided to write the first book, my idea was a 31 day “devotional.” I call it a study guide but it’s designed to read one meme and a commentary each day. I progressed it in such a way that by day 10 people would question the existence of the government and by day 20 I wanted them to see that there were groups out there who were trying to take away their freedoms by influencing the government. Then the last 11 days are about destroying any hope that they would have that government is actually a good thing.

On 9/11:

I was for finding the people who planned 9/11 and killing them. Scott Horton talks about in his book how it seemed like they could’ve done that. They could’ve taken out Bin Laden and all of his guys in one strike. They were dropping daisy cutters when they could’ve just ground this thing to a halt. I wanted justice for the people who were responsible for 9/11. I remember, it was a Sunday, I was out eating dinner with my friend after they dropped bombs on Afghanistan and he said to me “this doesn’t make any sense.” If anything, it should’ve been Saudi Arabia. I started doing more research and realized they will never invade Saudi Arabia because we’re in bed with them.

On Identity Politics:

This is an example of a subject that is a minority but it’s a vocal minority and they’ve come off the college campuses and are influencing human resources and major corporate business. Some people say I shouldn’t care about it because it’s the free market but I can care about it all I want. I can say that this is going to destroy business and our cultures. The few freedoms we have, we are going to lose. It’s a small minority. If you go to the grocery store and you ask the average person, “What do you think about identity politics?” They’re going to look at you and say “What!? Never heard of it.” It’s just these loud people on social media that are influencing policies. It’s always a small minority which is why I believe anarchists, voluntarists, minarchists and libertarians can influence society if we try. We need to get educated and start talking. That’s what my first book is about. I’m trying to do my part.

What it means to be a voluntarist:

To me it means complete freedom of association. The ability to associate with whoever I want. I want to be able to leave my house and walk to the convenience store and be left alone. What I mean by left alone is that I want to be left alone by authorities. If I’m walking and I happen to be carrying a beer, I don’t want a cop pulling up to me and engaging me. If a cop pulls up to me and engages me and I am doing nothing to hurt another person or property I should have the ability to walk away and tell him to go fuck himself. But I do not have the right to do that. If I tell him to go fuck himself, he has been given the authority by people who do not possess that authority to escalate the situation up to and including killing me. Being a voluntarist is being able to control your own life and do as you wish as long as you’re not hurting another person or their property.

On LP Infighting and Ron Paul:

We don’t need any new ideas. The new ideas seem to be going the way of Nicholas Sarwark style libertarianism where you ask Tom Woods to sign a paper saying he’s not a fascist. Or criticize him because five years ago Woods had someone on his podcast who turned out to totally abandon his principles. My thought on all of that is that if you want people to get excited about libertarianism, the most excited I’ve ever seen libertarians was around Ron Paul’s message. Get somebody to parrot Ron Paul’s message and believe it! Let’s continue this, let’s continue growing. One thing I know about Ron Paul is that he brought a lot of people over to libertarianism and within a couple years most of those people became anarchists and voluntarists. That’s an important thing. I think if somebody was preaching that kind of message again you could get anarchists off the couch to support it.

On The Libertarian Party:

To me, the Libertarian Party sounds like The Republican Party with George Bush in 2000. Michael Malice has this phrase, “conservatism is progressivism going the speed limit.” So whatever progressives are doing five or six years down the line, conservatives will eventually adopt it but it just takes longer. And I think that’s what has happened with The Libertarian Party. In wanting to become more mainstream, they are adopting more of the mainstream. Bill Weld is terrible. If you would’ve created a scenario where you said “we’re going to have this guy as our Vice Presidential candidate and two weeks before the election he’s going to endorse Hillary Clinton for President!.” And the presidential candidate is going to be so fucked up on weed he’s not going to be able to answer any questions. I don’t even have a problem with that but it’s just that Gary couldn’t handle his. You could’ve put John McAfee up there, he’s high as shit all the time, but he makes sense! He sounds way more libertarian than Gary Johnson.

On Memes, Trump & The Younger Generation:

The meme market is a free market. The first memes I saw were on Ebaums world. Most of the memes on there were humorous and they were meant to make you laugh. I really enjoyed them. I put up a website that was called Sports Team’s Motivation and it was basically just memes making fun of athletes. I did that for about six months before I got bored with it. There is so much hero worship in the world it’s easy to piss people off. When I started seeing that memes could actually convey a message was right around 2010 when there was a lot of talk about gun control. The pro gunners on social media started making some good memes and I saw it becoming very popular.

Certain segments will tell you they (memes) won the election for Trump. I think that enough memes were put out there absolutely exposing what a complete disaster that Hillary Clinton is that I think it could’ve had a big influence on a lot of people. Especially young people. It appears that there are a lot of young people that are trump supporters. They don’t care about his non existent monetary or trade policy but they like the fact that he is politically incorrect and that he specifically doesn’t like the left and the left culture. I think that brought a lot of young people in who wanted to vote for him.

On The Culture Wars of America:

It’s always been a fight for culture. Even when the Declaration was being written. You had the Quakers in Pennsylvania who were very straight laced. No whiskey and no sexual talk. Then you had Ben Franklin, who also happened to be from Pennsylvania, but he reveled in those things. There were the guys in Massachusetts who were a bunch of loud mouths who complained about everything and then the people in Virginia who were the actual thinkers. From the very start you had cultures fighting against each other. It’s been a cultural war the whole time. What bigger culture war was there than the war of northern aggression? Some people like to call it the Civil War. The South wanted to leave, they wanted to be left alone and the North said no. Most honest historians will tell you that by that time slavery was on its way out. That’s just before the industrial revolution, slavery had what 10-15 years left in it? There were already people in the South who were starting to speak out against slavery. Times change. Think about how conservatives felt about gay marriage in 2003. It’s 2018 and it’s not even on their radar.

On Bake the Cake:

If it’s my store I should be able to do whatever the hell I want to do as long as I’m not hurting someone. If I tell somebody, “no I don’t want your business,” I’m not hurting them. The same thing happened in Oregon. In the book I’m writing right now I used the Oregon case rather than the Colorado case. Oregon is extremely liberal. A woman, that everyone loved, refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding and the community itself came down upon her. The prosecutor came down on her. She had a settlement against her for $160,000 that basically destroyed her business.

On Iceland:

There are only 250,000 people on the whole island. They’re getting away with doing some socialism but still, it’s the most expensive country on the planet. Iceland was the closest I’ve ever been to an anarchist society. I never saw an authority figure while I was there. I never saw a police car or police officer. There may have been some plain clothed officers but I never saw any. The people seemed to do what they want and get along very well. I was there in November of 2017 and the whole previous 11 months they had two murders and both were committed by tourists. When one of the girl’s bodies went missing it was the people who went out and found her voluntarily. It’s very free. They’re not looking to pull you over for speeding.


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